July 23, 2020

Secretary Michael R. Pompeo
Remarks on the Richard Nixon Presidential Library and Museum:
“Communist China and the Free World’s Future”

The Richard Nixon Presidential Library and Museum
Yorba Linda, California

GOVERNOR WILSON:  Properly, thanks very a lot, Chris.  Most beneficiant.  I’m unsure your grandfather would have acknowledged me. 

I’ve the nice pleasure – along with welcoming all of you to the Nixon birthplace and library, I’ve the nice pleasure of introducing to you a rare American who’s right here at a rare time.  However the enjoyable of it’s in introducing our honored visitor, I additionally am welcoming him not simply to the Nixon Library, however I’m welcoming him again residence to Orange County.  (Applause.)  That’s proper.  Mike Pompeo was born in Orange.  (Applause.)

He attended Los Amigos Excessive Faculty in Fountain Valley, the place he was an impressive scholar and athlete.  In actual fact, I’ve it on good authority that among the many followers of glory days of Lobo basketball, a reverent hush descends upon the gang every time the identify “Pompeo” is talked about.  (Laughter.)

The Secretary was first in his class at West Level.  He gained the award as probably the most distinguished cadet.  He gained one other award for the best achievement in engineering administration.  He spent his lively responsibility years, his Military years, in West Germany, and as he put it, patrolling the Iron Curtain earlier than the autumn of the Berlin Wall. 

In 1988 – excuse me – retiring with a rank of captain, he went on to Harvard Legislation Faculty, the place he was an editor of the Legislation Evaluation.  In 1988, he returned to his mom’s residence state of Kansas and commenced a stunningly profitable enterprise profession.  He was elected to the Home of Representatives from Kansas in 2011, the place he quickly gained nice respect for a popularity as one of the vital diligent and astute members of the Home Arms – excuse me, the Home Intelligence Committee.

In 2017, President Trump nominated him to be the director of Central Intelligence.  And in 2018, he was confirmed as our 70th Secretary of State.

It’s important to admit, that’s fairly a formidable resume.  So it’s unhappy there’s just one factor lacking, prevents it from being excellent.  If solely Mike had been a Marine.  (Laughter.)  Don’t fear, he’ll get even.

Mike Pompeo is a person dedicated to his household.  He’s a person of religion, of the best patriotism and the best precept.  One among his most necessary initiatives on the State Division has been the creation of a Fee on Unalienable Rights the place academicians, philosophers, and ethicists advise him on human rights grounded in America’s founding rules and the rules of the 1948 Common Declaration of Rights.

He’s right here at the moment for a really particular cause.  The epitaph on President Nixon’s headstone is a sentence from his first inaugural deal with.  It says, quote, “The best honor historical past can bestow is the title of peacemaker.”  Richard Nixon acquired that title.  He gained that honor not solely as a result of he was acknowledged even by his critics to be a superb overseas coverage strategist, however it was much more as a result of he earned it.  He realized as congressman, senator, president, and each day thereafter as a personal citizen ambassador that peace is just not achieved by signing paperwork and declaring the job performed.  On the contrary, he knew that peace is all the time a piece in progress.  He knew that peace should be fought for and gained anew in each era.

It was President Nixon’s imaginative and prescient, dedication, and braveness that opened China to America and to the Western world.  As president and for the remainder of his life, Richard Nixon labored to construct a relationship with China primarily based upon mutual advantages and obligations that revered America’s bedrock nationwide pursuits.

At present, we in America are obliged to evaluate whether or not or not President Nixon’s labors and his hopes for such a relationship have been met or whether or not they’re being undermined.

That’s the reason it’s of such nice significance that our honored visitor, Secretary Pompeo, has chosen the Nixon Library from which to ship a significant China coverage assertion.  It should, I promise you, be a press release of full readability delivered with drive and with perception as a result of it’s of essential significance.

Women and gents, it’s my nice honor and pleasure to welcome to this podium and to this viewers our honored visitor, the Secretary of State of the USA of America, the honorable and actually fairly exceptional – honorable Michael R. Pompeo.  (Applause.)

SECRETARY POMPEO:  Thanks.  Thanks all.  Thanks, Governor, for that very, very beneficiant introduction.  It’s true:  If you stroll in that fitness center and also you say the identify “Pompeo,” there’s a whisper.  I had a brother, Mark, who was actually good – a extremely good basketball participant.

And the way about one other spherical of applause for the Blue Eagles Honor Guard and Senior Airman Kayla Highsmith, and her great rendition of the nationwide anthem?  (Applause.)

Thanks, too, to Pastor Laurie for that shifting prayer, and I wish to thank Hugh Hewitt and the Nixon Basis to your invitation to talk at this necessary American establishment.  It was nice to be sung to by an Air Pressure particular person, launched by a Marine, and so they let the Military man in in entrance of the Navy man’s home.  (Laughter.)  It’s all good.

It’s an honor to be right here in Yorba Linda, the place Nixon’s father constructed the home during which he was born and raised.

To all of the Nixon Heart board and employees who made at the moment potential – it’s troublesome in these occasions – thanks for making this present day potential for me and for my group.

We’re blessed to have some extremely particular folks within the viewers, together with Chris, who I’ve gotten to know – Chris Nixon.  I additionally wish to thank Tricia Nixon and Julie Nixon Eisenhower for his or her assist of this go to as effectively.

I wish to acknowledge a number of brave Chinese language dissidents who’ve joined us right here at the moment and made an extended journey.

And to all the opposite distinguished visitors – (applause) – to all the opposite distinguished visitors, thanks for being right here.  For these of you who bought below the tent, you will need to have paid additional.

And people of you watching stay, thanks for tuning in.

And at last, because the governor talked about, I used to be born right here in Santa Ana, not very removed from right here.  I’ve bought my sister and her husband within the viewers at the moment.  Thanks all for popping out.  I guess you by no means thought that I’d be standing up right here.

My remarks at the moment are the fourth set of remarks in a sequence of China speeches that I requested Nationwide Safety Advisor Robert O’Brien, FBI Director Chris Wray, and the Lawyer Normal Barr to ship alongside me.

We had a really clear function, an actual mission.  It was to elucidate the totally different aspects of America’s relationship with China, the large imbalances in that relationship which have constructed up over a long time, and the Chinese language Communist Get together’s designs for hegemony.

Our purpose was to clarify that the threats to Individuals that President Trump’s China coverage goals to deal with are clear and our technique for securing these freedoms established.

Ambassador O’Brien spoke about ideology.  FBI Director Wray talked about espionage. Lawyer Normal Barr spoke about economics.  And now my purpose at the moment is to place all of it collectively for the American folks and element what the China menace means for our economic system, for our liberty, and certainly for the way forward for free democracies around the globe.

Subsequent yr marks half a century since Dr. Kissinger’s secret mission to China, and the 50th anniversary of President Nixon’s journey isn’t too far-off in 2022.

The world was a lot totally different then.

We imagined engagement with China would produce a future with vibrant promise of comity and cooperation.

However at the moment – at the moment we’re all nonetheless carrying masks and watching the pandemic’s physique depend rise as a result of the CCP failed in its guarantees to the world.  We’re studying each morning new headlines of repression in Hong Kong and in Xinjiang.

We’re seeing staggering statistics of Chinese language commerce abuses that price American jobs and strike monumental blows to the economies all throughout America, together with right here in southern California.  And we’re watching a Chinese language army that grows stronger and stronger, and certainly extra menacing.

I’ll echo the questions ringing within the hearts and minds of Individuals from right here in California to my residence state of Kansas and past:

What do the American folks have to indicate now 50 years on from engagement with China? 

Did the theories of our leaders that proposed a Chinese language evolution in direction of freedom and democracy show to be true?

Is that this China’s definition of a win-win state of affairs? 

And certainly, centrally, from the Secretary of State’s perspective, is America safer?  Do we’ve a larger probability of peace for ourselves and peace for the generations which is able to observe us?

Look, we’ve to confess a tough fact.  We should admit a tough fact that ought to information us within the years and a long time to return, that if we wish to have a free 21st century, and never the Chinese language century of which Xi Jinping goals, the outdated paradigm of blind engagement with China merely gained’t get it performed.  We should not proceed it and we should not return to it. 

As President Trump has made very clear, we want a technique that protects the American economic system, and certainly our lifestyle.  The free world should overcome this new tyranny.

Now, earlier than I appear too desperate to tear down President Nixon’s legacy, I wish to be clear that he did what he believed was greatest for the American folks on the time, and he might effectively have been proper.

He was a superb scholar of China, a fierce chilly warrior, and an incredible admirer of the Chinese language folks, simply as I feel all of us are. 

He deserves monumental credit score for realizing that China was too necessary to be ignored, even when the nation was weakened due to its personal self-inflicted communist brutality.

In 1967, in a really well-known International Affairs article, Nixon defined his future technique.  Right here’s what he mentioned:

He mentioned, “Taking the lengthy view, we merely can’t afford to go away China ceaselessly exterior of the household of countries…The world can’t be protected till China modifications.  Thus, our goal – to the extent we are able to, we should affect occasions.  Our purpose needs to be to induce change.”

And I feel that’s the important thing phrase from all the article: “to induce change.”

So, with that historic journey to Beijing, President Nixon kicked off our engagement technique.  He nobly sought a freer and safer world, and he hoped that the Chinese language Communist Get together would return that dedication. 

As time went on, American policymakers more and more presumed that as China grew to become extra affluent, it could open up, it could grow to be freer at residence, and certainly current much less of a menace overseas, it’d be friendlier.  All of it appeared, I’m certain, so inevitable.

However that age of inevitability is over.  The form of engagement we’ve been pursuing has not introduced the form of change inside China that President Nixon had hoped to induce.

The reality is that our insurance policies – and people of different free nations – resurrected China’s failing economic system, solely to see Beijing chunk the worldwide palms that have been feeding it.

We opened our arms to Chinese language residents, solely to see the Chinese language Communist Get together exploit our free and open society.  China despatched propagandists into our press conferences, our analysis facilities, our high-schools, our schools, and even into our PTA conferences.

We marginalized our mates in Taiwan, which later blossomed right into a vigorous democracy.

We gave the Chinese language Communist Get together and the regime itself particular financial therapy, solely to see the CCP insist on silence over its human rights abuses as the value of admission for Western firms coming into China.

Ambassador O’Brien ticked off just a few examples simply the opposite day: Marriott, American Airways, Delta, United all eliminated references to Taiwan from their company web sites, in order to not anger Beijing.

In Hollywood, not too removed from right here – the epicenter of American inventive freedom, and self-appointed arbiters of social justice – self-censors even probably the most mildly unfavorable reference to China.

This company acquiescence to the CCP occurs everywhere in the world, too.

And the way has this company fealty labored?  Is its flattery rewarded?  I’ll offer you a quote from the speech that Normal Barr gave, Lawyer Normal Barr.  In a speech final week, he mentioned that “The final word ambition of China’s rulers isn’t to commerce with the USA.  It’s to raid the USA.”

China ripped off our prized mental property and commerce secrets and techniques, inflicting hundreds of thousands of jobs[1] all throughout America.  

It sucked provide chains away from America, after which added a widget fabricated from slave labor.

It made the world’s key waterways much less protected for worldwide commerce.

President Nixon as soon as mentioned he feared he had created a “Frankenstein” by opening the world to the CCP, and right here we’re.

Now, folks of excellent religion can debate why free nations allowed these unhealthy issues to occur for all these years.  Maybe we have been naive about China’s virulent pressure of communism, or triumphalist after our victory within the Chilly Warfare, or cravenly capitalist, or hoodwinked by Beijing’s speak of a “peaceable rise.”

Regardless of the cause – regardless of the cause, at the moment China is more and more authoritarian at residence, and extra aggressive in its hostility to freedom all over the place else.

And President Trump has mentioned: sufficient.

I don’t suppose many individuals on both facet of the aisle dispute the information that I’ve laid out at the moment.  However even now, some are insisting that we protect the mannequin of dialogue for dialogue’s sake.

Now, to be clear, we’ll carry on speaking.  However the conversations are totally different lately.  I traveled to Honolulu now just some weeks again to fulfill with Yang Jiechi.

It was the identical outdated story – loads of phrases, however actually no supply to alter any of the behaviors.

Yang’s guarantees, like so many the CCP made earlier than him, have been empty.  His expectations, I surmise, have been that I’d cave to their calls for, as a result of frankly that is what too many prior administrations have performed.  I didn’t, and President Trump is not going to both. 

As Ambassador O’Brien defined so effectively, we’ve to remember that the CCP regime is a Marxist-Leninist regime.  Normal Secretary Xi Jinping is a real believer in a bankrupt totalitarian ideology. 

It’s this ideology, it’s this ideology that informs his decades-long want for world hegemony of Chinese language communism.  America can now not ignore the elemental political and ideological variations between our international locations, simply because the CCP has by no means ignored them. 

My expertise within the Home Intelligence Committee, after which as director of the Central Intelligence Company, and my now two-plus years as America’s Secretary of State have led me to this central understanding:

That the one method – the one solution to really change communist China is to behave not on the idea of what Chinese language leaders say, however how they behave.  And you may see American coverage responding to this conclusion.  President Reagan mentioned that he handled the Soviet Union on the idea of “belief however confirm.”  In terms of the CCP, I say we should mistrust and confirm.  (Applause.)

We, the freedom-loving nations of the world, should induce China to alter, simply as President Nixon needed.  We should induce China to alter in additional inventive and assertive methods, as a result of Beijing’s actions threaten our folks and our prosperity.

We should begin by altering how our folks and our companions understand the Chinese language Communist Get together.  We’ve got to inform the reality.  We will’t deal with this incarnation of China as a standard nation, identical to another. 

We all know that buying and selling with China is just not like buying and selling with a standard, law-abiding nation.  Beijing threatens worldwide agreements as – treats worldwide solutions as – or agreements as solutions, as conduits for world dominance. 

However by insisting on truthful phrases, as our commerce consultant did when he secured our part one commerce deal, we are able to drive China to reckon with its mental property theft and insurance policies that harmed American employees.

We all know too that doing enterprise with a CCP-backed firm is just not the identical as doing enterprise with, say, a Canadian firm.  They don’t reply to unbiased boards, and plenty of of them are state-sponsored and so haven’t any must pursue income. 

A great instance is Huawei.  We stopped pretending Huawei is an harmless telecommunications firm that’s simply exhibiting as much as be sure to can speak to your pals.  We’ve known as it what it’s – a real nationwide safety menace – and we’ve taken motion accordingly.

We all know too that if our firms put money into China, they might wittingly or unwittingly assist the Communist Get together’s gross human rights violations. 

Our Departments of Treasury and Commerce have thus sanctioned and blacklisted Chinese language leaders and entities which are harming and abusing probably the most primary rights for folks all the world over.  A number of businesses have labored collectively on a enterprise advisory to make sure our CEOs are knowledgeable of how their provide chains are behaving inside China. 

We all know too, we all know too that not all Chinese language college students and staff are simply regular college students and employees which are coming right here to make a little bit bit of cash and to garner themselves some information.  Too lots of them come right here to steal our mental property and to take this again to their nation. 

The Division of Justice and different businesses have vigorously pursued punishment for these crimes.

We all know that the Folks’s Liberation Military is just not a standard military, too.  Its function is to uphold absolutely the rule of the Chinese language Communist Get together elites and broaden a Chinese language empire, to not shield the Chinese language folks. 

And so our Division of Protection has ramped up its efforts, freedom of navigation operations out and all through the East and South China Seas, and within the Taiwan Strait as effectively.  And we’ve created a House Pressure to assist deter China from aggression on that remaining frontier. 

And so too, frankly, we’ve constructed out a brand new set of insurance policies on the State Division coping with China, pushing President Trump’s targets for equity and reciprocity, to rewrite the imbalances which have grown over a long time. 

Simply this week, we introduced the closure of the Chinese language consulate in Houston as a result of it was a hub of spying and mental property theft.  (Applause.)

We reversed, two weeks in the past, eight years of cheek-turning with respect to worldwide legislation within the South China Sea.

We’ve known as on China to adapt its nuclear capabilities to the strategic realities of our time. 

And the State Division – at each stage, all the world over – has engaged with our Chinese language counterparts merely to demand equity and reciprocity. 

However our strategy can’t simply be about getting robust.  That’s unlikely to realize the end result that we want.  We should additionally have interaction and empower the Chinese language folks – a dynamic, freedom-loving people who find themselves utterly distinct from the Chinese language Communist Get together. 

That begins with in-person diplomacy.  (Applause.)  I’ve met Chinese language women and men of nice expertise and diligence wherever I am going. 

I’ve met with Uyghurs and ethnic Kazakhs who escaped Xinjiang’s focus camps.  I’ve talked with Hong Kong’s democracy leaders, from Cardinal Zen to Jimmy Lai.  Two days in the past in London, I met with Hong Kong freedom fighter Nathan Legislation. 

And final month in my workplace, I heard the tales of Tiananmen Sq. survivors.  One among them is right here at the moment. 

Wang Dan was a key scholar who has by no means stopped preventing for freedom for the Chinese language folks.  Mr. Wang, will you please stand in order that we might acknowledge you?  (Applause.)

Additionally with us at the moment is the daddy of the Chinese language democracy motion, Wei Jingsheng.  He spent a long time in Chinese language labor camps for his advocacy.  Mr. Wei, will you please stand?  (Applause.)

I grew up and served my time within the Military throughout the Chilly Warfare.  And if there’s one factor I realized, communists nearly all the time lie.  The most important lie that they inform is to suppose that they converse for 1.four billion people who find themselves surveilled, oppressed, and scared to talk out. 

Fairly the opposite.  The CCP fears the Chinese language folks’s sincere opinions greater than any foe, and save for dropping their very own grip on energy, they’ve cause – no cause to.

Simply suppose how a lot better off the world could be – to not point out the folks inside China – if we had been in a position to hear from the medical doctors in Wuhan and so they’d been allowed to boost the alarm concerning the outbreak of a brand new and novel virus.

For too many a long time, our leaders have ignored, downplayed the phrases of courageous Chinese language dissidents who warned us concerning the nature of the regime we’re going through.

And we are able to’t ignore it any longer.  They know in addition to anybody that we are able to by no means return to the established order.

However altering the CCP’s habits can’t be the mission of the Chinese language folks alone.  Free nations must work to defend freedom.  It’s the furthest factor from simple.  

However I’ve religion we are able to do it.  I’ve religion as a result of we’ve performed it earlier than.  We all know how this goes.

I’ve religion as a result of the CCP is repeating a number of the similar errors that the Soviet Union made – alienating potential allies, breaking belief at residence and overseas, rejecting property rights and predictable rule of legislation.

I’ve religion.  I’ve religion due to the awakening I see amongst different nations that know we are able to’t return to the previous in the identical method that we do right here in America.  I’ve heard this from Brussels, to Sydney, to Hanoi.

And most of all, I’ve religion we are able to defend freedom due to the candy attraction of freedom itself.

Have a look at the Hong Kongers clamoring to to migrate overseas because the CCP tightens its grip on that proud metropolis.  They wave American flags.

It’s true, there are variations.  In contrast to the Soviet Union, China is deeply built-in into the worldwide economic system.  However Beijing is extra depending on us than we’re on them.  (Applause.)

Look, I reject the notion that we’re dwelling in an age of inevitability, that some entice is pre-ordained, that CCP supremacy is the longer term.  Our strategy isn’t destined to fail as a result of America is in decline.  As I mentioned in Munich earlier this yr, the free world remains to be successful.  We simply must imagine it and comprehend it and be happy with it.  Folks from everywhere in the world nonetheless wish to come to open societies.  They arrive right here to check, they arrive right here to work, they arrive right here to construct a life for his or her households.  They’re not determined to settle in China.

It’s time.  It’s nice to be right here at the moment.  The timing is ideal.  It’s time totally free nations to behave.  Not each nation will strategy China in the identical method, nor ought to they.  Each nation must come to its personal understanding of tips on how to shield its personal sovereignty, tips on how to shield its personal financial prosperity, and tips on how to shield its beliefs from the tentacles of the Chinese language Communist Get together.

However I name on each chief of each nation to begin by doing what America has performed – to easily insist on reciprocity, to insist on transparency and accountability from the Chinese language Communist Get together.  It’s a cadre of rulers which are removed from homogeneous.

And these easy and highly effective requirements will obtain an awesome deal.  For too lengthy we let the CCP set the phrases of engagement, however now not.  Free nations should set the tone.  We should function on the identical rules.

We’ve got to attract widespread strains within the sand that can’t be washed away by the CCP’s bargains or their blandishments.  Certainly, that is what the USA did lately after we rejected China’s illegal claims within the South China Sea as soon as and for all, as we’ve urged international locations to grow to be Clear International locations in order that their residents’ non-public data doesn’t find yourself within the hand of the Chinese language Communist Get together.  We did it by setting requirements.

Now, it’s true, it’s troublesome.  It’s troublesome for some small international locations.  They concern being picked off.  A few of them for that cause merely don’t have the power, the braveness to face with us for the second.

Certainly, we’ve a NATO ally of ours that hasn’t stood up in the best way that it must with respect to Hong Kong as a result of they concern Beijing will prohibit entry to China’s market.  That is the form of timidity that may result in historic failure, and we are able to’t repeat it.

We can’t repeat the errors of those previous years.  The problem of China calls for exertion, vitality from democracies – these in Europe, these in Africa, these in South America, and particularly these within the Indo-Pacific area.

And if we don’t act now, finally the CCP will erode our freedoms and subvert the rules-based order that our societies have labored so onerous to construct.  If we bend the knee now, our kids’s youngsters could also be on the mercy of the Chinese language Communist Get together, whose actions are the first problem at the moment within the free world.

Normal Secretary Xi is just not destined to tyrannize inside and out of doors of China ceaselessly, until we enable it.

Now, this isn’t about containment.  Don’t purchase that.  It’s a few advanced new problem that we’ve by no means confronted earlier than.  The us was closed off from the free world.  Communist China is already inside our borders.

So we are able to’t face this problem alone.  The United Nations, NATO, the G7 international locations, the G20, our mixed financial, diplomatic, and army energy is definitely sufficient to fulfill this problem if we direct it clearly and with nice braveness.

Perhaps it’s time for a brand new grouping of like-minded nations, a brand new alliance of democracies.

We’ve got the instruments.  I do know we are able to do it.  Now we want the desire.  To cite scripture, I ask is “our spirit keen however our flesh weak?”

If the free world doesn’t change – doesn’t change, communist China will certainly change us.  There can’t be a return to the previous practices as a result of they’re comfy or as a result of they’re handy.

Securing our freedoms from the Chinese language Communist Get together is the mission of our time, and America is completely positioned to guide it as a result of our founding rules give us that chance. 

As I defined in Philadelphia final week, standing, observing Independence Corridor, our nation was based on the premise that every one human beings possess sure rights which are unalienable.

And it’s our authorities’s job to safe these rights.  It’s a easy and highly effective fact.  It’s made us a beacon of freedom for folks all around the globe, together with folks inside China.

Certainly, Richard Nixon was proper when he wrote in 1967 that “the world can’t be protected till China modifications.”  Now it’s as much as us to heed his phrases. 

At present the hazard is obvious.

And at the moment the awakening is occurring.

At present the free world should reply.

We will by no means return to the previous.

Might God bless every of you.

Might God bless the Chinese language folks.

And will God bless the folks of the USA of America.

Thanks all.


MR HEWITT:  Thanks, Mr. Secretary.  Please be seated.  I’m Hugh Hewitt, the president of the library, and Secretary Pompeo graciously invited some questions as I used to be listening.  Thanks for becoming a member of us, Mr. Secretary, on the Nixon Library.

My first query has to do with the context of the president’s go to in 1972.  You talked about the Soviet Union was remoted, however it was harmful.  He went to the Folks’s Republic of China in 1972 to attempt to ally and mix pursuits with them in opposition to the Soviet Union; it was profitable.

Does Russia current a chance now to the USA to coax them into the battle to be relentlessly candid concerning the Chinese language Communist Get together?

SECRETARY POMPEO:  So I do suppose there’s that chance.  That chance is born of the connection, the pure relationship between Russia and China, and we are able to do one thing as effectively.  There are locations the place we have to work with Russia.  At present – or tomorrow, I suppose it’s, our groups will probably be on the bottom with the Russians engaged on a strategic dialogue to hopefully create the subsequent era of arms management agreements like Reagan did.  It’s in our curiosity, it’s in Russia’s curiosity.  We’ve requested the Chinese language to take part.  They’ve declined thus far.  We hope they’ll change their thoughts.

It’s these form of issues – these proliferation points, these huge strategic challenges – that if we work alongside Russia, I’m satisfied we are able to make the world safer.  And so there – I feel there’s a place for us to work with the Russians to realize a extra doubtless consequence of peace not just for the USA however for the world.

MR HEWITT:  President Nixon additionally put numerous retailer in private relationships over a few years with people.  That may lead fallacious.  President Bush famously misjudged Vladimir Putin and mentioned so afterwards.  You have got met President Xi typically.  Is the final secretary of the Chinese language Communist Get together somebody with whom we are able to deal on a clear and dependable foundation, in your opinion, primarily based in your private diplomacy with him?

SECRETARY POMPEO:  So the conferences that I’ve had and the assembly that the President – we’ve had – they’ve been good, frank conversations.  He’s probably the most highly effective chief of China since Mao.  He has additionally in some ways deinstitutionalized the Chinese language Communist Get together, thus giving him much more capability and extra energy. 

However Hugh, I feel the best way to consider it’s how I spoke about this at the moment:  It’s about actions.  And so how one evaluates one’s counterparts sitting throughout the desk from them – it’s necessary to consider how you’ll find widespread understandings and make progress.  However ultimately, it’s not about what somebody says or the settlement that they signal, however are they ready to guide, to do the issues that they dedicated to?  Are they ready to satisfy their guarantees? 

And we’ve watched – we’ve watched this China stroll away from their guarantees to the world on Hong Kong, we watched their – Normal Secretary Xi promised President Obama within the Rose Backyard in 2015 that he wouldn’t militarize the South China Sea.  And Google the South China Sea and arms; you’ll see one other promise damaged. 

So ultimately, from my perspective, it’s way more necessary to look at how leaders behave and the way they lead than what it’s you suppose when you might have an opportunity to speak to them on the telephone or meet them in particular person.

MR HEWITT:  Mr. Secretary, you mentioned this isn’t containment.  I heard that very clearly.  I’ve learn the three earlier speeches by Ambassador O’Brien, Director Wray, Lawyer Normal Barr, and now listened to you very intently.  It isn’t containment, however it’s a pretty complete, multidimensional, relentlessly goal candor.  Is that harmful in a world that’s not used to talking clearly about delicate topics?

SECRETARY POMPEO:  My expertise, and I feel President Trump’s expertise too in his life as a businessman, is the very best coverage is all the time true candor, figuring out the locations that you’ve a redline, figuring out locations that you’ve an actual curiosity, making clear if there’s locations the place you don’t, and there’s issues you can work on alongside one another. 

I feel the actual hazard comes from misunderstandings and miscommunication and the failure to be sincere concerning the issues that matter to you, as a result of others will transfer into that area after which battle arises.  I feel the world is a heck of lots safer when you might have leaders who’re ready to be sincere concerning the issues that matter and ready to speak concerning the issues their nation is ready to do to safe these pursuits.  And you may scale back threat by these conversations as long as you’re sincere about it. 

So I – no, I don’t suppose it’s harmful.  I feel it’s simply the other of that.

MR HEWITT:  You additionally mentioned – and I’m certain the speech will probably be referred to as the “mistrust however confirm” speech – whenever you mistrust however confirm, that also premises verification is feasible.  It’s nonetheless potential to do agreements and to confirm them; appropriate?

SECRETARY POMPEO:  It’s, yeah, you may nonetheless do it.  Every nation’s bought to be ready for a specific amount of intrusiveness related to that.  And it isn’t within the nature of communist regimes to permit transparency inside their nation.  And so it’s been performed earlier than.  We’ve had – we had arms management agreements with the Soviet Union that we bought verification that was ample to make sure that we protected American pursuits.  I imagine we are able to do it once more.  I hope that we are able to do that on these – I imply, the Chinese language Communist Get together has a number of hundred nuclear warheads.  This can be a critical world energy.  And to the extent we are able to discover widespread floor, a typical set of understandings to cut back threat that there’s ever a extremely unhealthy day for the world, we should do it, and it’s going to require settlement and verification.

MR HEWITT:  Ambassador Richard Haass, who’s now chairman of the Council on International Relations, mentioned very lately – it could have been yesterday, it may need been this morning; I noticed it this morning getting ready – quote, “Secretary Pompeo doesn’t converse of China however of the Chinese language Communist Get together as if there have been a China other than the get together.  That is meant to antagonize and make diplomacy unimaginable.  Fairly a stance for America’s chief diplomat to take until his purpose is to make sure diplomacy fails.”  Is that your purpose?

SECRETARY POMPEO:  (Laughter.)  Ah, goodness.  Laborious to start.  Right here’s the place I’ll start:  It’s a bit patronizing to the folks of China to make such an assertion that they don’t seem to be free-thinking beings, that they’re not rational individuals who got – I imply, they too have been made within the picture of God, proper.  They’ve all of the capability that anyone on the planet does.  So to by some means suppose that we should ignore the voices of the folks of China appears to me the fallacious strategy.  It’s true the Chinese language Communist Get together is a one-party rule.  And so we are going to take care of the Chinese language Communist Get together as the top of state for China, and we have to, and we have to have interaction in dialogue.  Nevertheless it appears to me we’d dishonor ourselves and the folks of China if we ignored them.

MR HEWITT:  Now, Ambassador O’Brien, whose speech you referenced, put heavy emphasis on the ideology of Marxist-Leninism.  It was nearly quaint to listen to that dialog once more; it’s gone from our vocabulary.  Does the American folks, and particularly American media, must reacquaint itself with what Marxist-Leninists imagine, as a result of the CCP genuinely does imagine it?

SECRETARY POMPEO:  I all the time get in bother, Hugh, once I touch upon the media.  So I’ll say this a lot:  For these of us who’ve lived and seen and noticed, there are different Marxist-Leninist nations at the moment as effectively – and have seen – they imagine – they’ve an understanding, a central understanding of how folks work together and the way societies should work together.  And it’s actually the case at the moment that the management in China believes that. 

We should always acknowledge that, and we should always ensure that we don’t for a second suppose that they don’t imagine it.  It’s what Ambassador O’Brien’s speech was about.  It was the actual fact – it was acknowledging that they imagine it and recognizing that we’ve to reply in a method that displays our understanding of the best way they view the world.

MR HEWITT:  Let’s not speak concerning the American media.  I wish to speak concerning the Chinese language media for a second.  They’re aggressive, to say the least, and proper now they’re aggressively defending, for instance, TikTok.  A small query inside a big query:  Is TikTok able to being weaponized?  Is that an instance of what’s occurring?  And usually, Chinese language media has grow to be much more aggressive than I’ve seen in 30 years since I used to be on the library the primary time of watching it.  Is that one thing you’ve observed as effectively?

SECRETARY POMPEO:  Sure, they’re very aggressive.  Two items to this, one you stumble on.  One is I’ll describe as their expertise medium.  With out singling out any explicit enterprise, our view of those firms is we’re neither for or in opposition to the corporate; we’re about ensuring that we shield the data that belongs to every of you – your well being data, your face if it’s a facial recognition software program, your deal with.  All of the issues that you simply care that you simply wish to be sure the Chinese language Communist Get together doesn’t have, we’ve a duty to ensure that the methods that you simply’re utilizing don’t give them entry to that.  And so whether or not it’s the efforts we’ve made in opposition to Huawei or the work that we’re doing on different software program companies, the American activity is to guard the American folks and their data.

The second piece of this has to do with their – what I’ll name the state-sponsored media of China and their disinformation.  You need to know – and that is the place I’m involved concerning the American media, too – these are state-sponsored media organizations that take their messaging from the Chinese language Communist Get together every day.  When American establishments decide up these storylines and carry them ahead, they’re, in actual fact, propagating Chinese language propaganda, and all of us should be smart to that. 

There was an editorial in The New York Occasions yesterday by somebody who had a transparent view that was antithetical to the American lifestyle.  The New York Occasions ran it straight-up with out remark, forwarding – though albeit within the opinion part, however propagating Chinese language propaganda.  That’s actually not instructive once they’re telling senators from Arkansas they will’t merely discuss America and American freedom in that very same media outlet.

MR HEWITT:  You talked about that plenty of company America – and also you talked about particularly Hollywood – have gotten deep intertwinement with the Chinese language economic system.  So I don’t wish to discuss gentle energy; I wish to discuss gentle appeasement.  One among my favourite sports activities figures, LeBron James, falls silent when China comes up.  Within the new High Gun film, the Taiwan and Japanese patches are taken off Maverick’s jacket.  They’re not going to be in High Gun 2; they have been in High Gun 1.  What do you say to not these people, however to everybody who has an American highlight about their duty to be candid concerning the Folks’s Republic of China?

SECRETARY POMPEO:  Right here’s our ask:  Our ask is in case you declare that you simply care about human rights or social justice or this stuff, in case you make that a part of your company theology, you then should be constant.  And you may’t be constant in case you’re working there in China with out speaking about and acknowledging what the Chinese language Communist Get together is doing in sure components of their nation – the oppression that’s happening.  Look, each enterprise chief has bought to make choices for themselves.  They’ve bought to have the ability to stay with the selections that they make.  You highlighted just a few. 

I’d merely ask this:  In case you run an entity and the USA Authorities have been to inform you you couldn’t do one thing, put a specific image in your film or put a specific identify in your menu – if we have been to inform you that, you’d say nope, that’s not acceptable, and it, after all, wouldn’t be acceptable.  It appears to me that in case you allow the Chinese language Communist Get together to restrict you in that method, it’s bought to be troublesome so that you can go residence at night time.

MR HEWITT:  Two extra questions, Mr. Secretary.  (Applause.)  As a result of it’s sizzling and it’s heat, and everybody out right here has been within the solar for some time.  You’re a West Level graduate, and as Governor Wilson famous, primary, so this is likely to be robust for you.  However we’re an, like Athens was, a naval energy.  America is a naval energy.  And as like Sparta is, China is a land energy.  Can we not have to alter how we strategy protection spending to place extra emphasis on our naval sources than on our Military sources?

SECRETARY POMPEO:  Oh, that’s robust for an Military man to say.  (Laughter.)

MR HEWITT:  I do know.

SECRETARY POMPEO:  You’re killing me.  Look, I’ll depart to Secretary Esper the main points of this, however I can – right here’s what I can say.  When President Trump set out our Nationwide Safety Technique early on within the administration, for the primary time we recognized China in a method that was basically totally different than we had performed – this isn’t partisan – for many years. 

That was necessary as a result of that was a sign to all of us, whether or not it’s the State Division or the Protection Division, that we would have liked to reoriented our – reorient our belongings.  And so sure, you’ve seen the Division of Protection start to try this.  These are huge issues to show.  These budgets are multiyear.  It takes some time. 

However in case you take a look at how Secretary Esper and President Trump are positioning our army capabilities – not simply the tactical, operational, and strategic capabilities, however our cyber capabilities, our area capabilities – in case you take a look at how we’re enthusiastic about this and spending sources in yr two, three, 4, and 5, I feel you’ll see that our focus has shifted fairly dramatically. 

It’s to not say that our efforts to guard America from terrorism are behind us.  We nonetheless have work to do there.  However I feel this nice energy problem that presents itself is one thing that we’ve acknowledged and we start to ensure that we allocate your cash – our taxpayer sources that we’ve – to the suitable ends to realize American safety. 

MR HEWITT:  My final query has to do with a former secretary of state who was additionally an Military man, George Marshall.  He gave a speech in 1947 at your alma mater, Harvard, during which he known as on all of the nations of the world to acknowledge that the world was in disaster and to decide on a facet.  And he assured them in that well-known deal with that in case you selected the American facet in (inaudible) Europe, you possibly can depend on America. 

In order you make the attraction you probably did at the moment, not simply to Europe, the place it’s comparatively simple to be outspoken, although Norway has discovered it to not be outspoken, however to Taiwan and Japan and Vietnam and all the – Australia, all the nations of that area – can they depend on America in the best way that folks opposing the Soviet Union might depend on George Marshall’s assurance in 1947?

SECRETARY POMPEO:  Undoubtedly, undoubtedly, Hugh.  The one factor I’ll say is when – this language of “decide a facet” does make sense to me, however I take into consideration selecting a facet otherwise than selecting America or selecting China.  I feel the edges, the division – the shirts and skins, if you’ll – is between freedom and tyranny.  I feel that’s the choice that we’re asking every of those nations to make.  (Applause.)

And right here’s the excellent news of this.  The excellent news is it does take American management typically in these instances.  To your level, they should know that America will probably be there for them.  I’ve seen the tide flip.  In simply – in simply these three and half years of our administration, I’ve watched different nations have much less timidity, grow to be extra ready to face up for his or her freedoms and for the freedoms of their folks.  We don’t ask them to do that for America.  We ask them to do it for his or her nation and for his or her nation – the liberty and the independence and to guard the rights of their folks.

And after we try this and we inform them that America will probably be there, I’m very assured ultimately that this can be a world that with the onerous work utilized will grow to be one that’s ruled by a rules-based order, and the liberty of the American folks will probably be secured.

MR HEWITT:  Mr. Secretary, thanks for becoming a member of us right here at the moment. 


MR HEWITT:  Please be part of me in thanking the Secretary.  (Applause.)



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